Can any one help me name the guzzlers up on Palomar Mt?

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I have been working like crazy the past few months, but had a lot of time to look at the Google Earth and Maps at nights. I have been finding a bunch of guzzlers all over. Can anyone help with the official names of the guzzlers up on Palomar Mt (6) and Fred Canyon (3) or direct me to others that I will map and send you an updated KML file for Google Earth.

I have like 200+ guzzlers and water sources, mostly in the Mojave NP but a some thru San Diego, Orange and LA counties.

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KingSlug
 
Of all the give me your spot posts in here this one is definitely the most intriguing. Sorry man I don't think hunters are going to be sharing that kind of info. ONX maps shows some guzzlers. Other than that call the CNF office they might be able to point you to water.
 
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This subject (argument) has been brought up down here in San Diego a number of times.....Some feel it's public knowledge that guzzlers should be listed because they're on public lands.....Others feel that by listing them, guys camp out on these spots.....Tough argument either way.....With almost 350 guzzlers in San Diego Co., they can be found.....Jim Mathews (WON) got ahold of the DFG guzzler map for the upper desert (Mojave Preserve, Black Mt., Randsberg, etc).....Then he went about selling it.....No secret where they are now.

Quail Forever has work parties on the San Diego guzzlers and that would be your best source of finding some.....They have had work parties on both Palomar & Fred Cyn.

ps.....They are against public knowledge of guzzlers.
 
Its not like they are super hard to find I just do overlays of man made lines, polygons and color differentiation/transparencies on Google earth/maps. This especially true of the guzzlers just off the roads. The desert ones were easier to find early on, but with the color scanning they should stick out more where the colors contrast is larger. I have talked to DGF reps and although they wont send me anything outright, I was told I could look at their maps (really dont have tons of time to go to office and wait on someone to tell me no or they are busy right now). I have looked over dozens of old scanned PDF back to the 1930s, fed and state, DGF permits for clues and guidance, and I have folders of docs and photos to find more. Heck a quick Google search gives 44k hits for CNF guzzlers and dont get started on geo-tagged photos. This isnt magic or voodoo.

Do we really think as the internet of things become more and more accessible, these are going to be secrets forever. The better you are with tech the easier these items and scouting is to do. Everyone uses OnXMaps/GoogleEarth/GoogleMaps/Online Maps to scout for deer and every other game. Yet no one is against using these cool tools. Do people curse and refuse to use OnXMaps/GoogleEarth/GoogleMaps/Online Maps for showing guzzlers or their favorite honey hole? Or do the oldtimes hate that the USGS for posting streams and springs on paper?

And as to hunt over guzzlers some people will and currently do, since most guzzler are just off the roads they are usually breaking rules anyhow.

So if I asked the question in a more cryptic manner like going up Fred Canyon I have found possible guzzlers, does anyone know the official naming/numbering? The same for going south to north on Palomar Mtn? Heck if you have driven the road you have most likely noted them and tagged them on your GPS.

KingSlug
 
Kingslug, how do you hunt guzzlers? How many feet do you need to be away from guzzler for it to be legal?
 
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ilovesprig said:
Richard,

Not really a defined time other than you can't hang around them for more than 30 minutes.....DFG code 730.....With that definition, I would think that you can shoot around them.....Just not more than 30 minutes & 200 yds.

.http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/uplandgamebirdregs.aspx#730
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Thanks Steve,

I was just wondering. I remember the first time I deer hunted 6 yrs ago I went to look at a guzzler and found everyone from the valley hunting around it, funny sight.
 
While I dont hunt over water, except for ducks, its important to know how wildlife interact with water and the corridors they use. I believe most everyone understands this and takes it in to consideration when hunting turkeys, deer, ducks and birds. I have mapped around ~250 guzzlers and have leads on probably 400+ pretty much south of Bakersfield. I really just want the names to chart them accurately and i really dont want to pay for them, finding them is kind of fun.

I try to follow all hunting laws, especially since I am trying to teach my son to be sporting, moral and law abiding. I dont hunt over guzzlers or water specifically, if I am out bird hunting I generally go full safe then walk over to take a look at its condition and if there is any water in it, but usually I am hunting the green areas when hunting in the desert, most of the time I visit guzzlers is during scouting birds or deer . Beside the 200 yds/30 min rule most guzzlers are near roads so you need to be 150 yds away from there too. And of all the guzzlers I have seen most guzzlers are for birds, maybe 6 percent are deer drinkers. See example from my Google Earth.

guzzler.jpg

Additional the info is posted everywhere, the second example is a photo gleaned from a San Diego newspaper for a map from 1951, I found most of the complete document in my searches.

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I know the cement bird guzzlers have numbers on them but you'll have to put boots on the ground to actually read them, google earth is not that advanced yet?
 
KS,

Just a comment on your 150 yds from a road.....Imperial Co. actually has a 50 yd rule....DFW only requires you be off the road and not shoot over a it.....150 yd. rule is only applied to occupied dwellings, barns, and out bldgs.

ps.....There may be other county rules someone else in the state.....I would check that county for any ordinances they may have.

pss....I really admire you doing your homework.
 
ilovesprig said:
KS,

Just a comment on your 150 yds from a road.....Imperial Co. actually has a 50 yd rule....DFW only requires you be off the road and not shoot over a it.....150 yd. rule is only applied to occupied dwellings, barns, and out bldgs.

ps.....There may be other county rules someone else in the state.....I would check that county for any ordinances they may have.

pss....I really admire you doing your homework.
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Hey Steve,

I've heard guys say that, in the IV, the 50 yard rule applies to the blacktop/green sign roads and not the dirt off-roads. Is that true, or does the 50 yard rule apply everywhere? Also, someone told me recently that the 150 yard rule also applies to marked trails, such as the PCT, but I'm not so sure of that... I thought it was just structures like you mentioned.
 
Jason,

My understanding is that in the IV it's any county or state maintained road....Paved or not (many are dirt out there).....To be honest, it's a little known and rarely enforced law.

To my knowledge, PCT is not included in the 150 yd rule.....It passes thru a lot of private property.
 
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ilovesprig said:
Jason,

My understanding is that in the IV it's any county or state maintained road....Paved or not (many are dirt out there).....To be honest, it's a little known and rarely enforced law.

To my knowledge, PCT is not included in the 150 yd rule.....It passes thru a lot of private property.
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Steve,

See this link..

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/cleveland/recreation/hunting/?cid=stelprdb5275787

This states no hunting within 150 yards of private property within the firesr boundary. It also says no hunting within 150 yards of a trail. Seeing that the PCT is well marked I would interpret that the rule applies. Of course USFS has no jurisdiction when the trail goes through private property.

I don't know if the details on this website could be held up in court without an actual ordinance to back it, but it is out there!

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200 yards is a long ways! I've stumbled across several guzzlers I was unaware of in the CNF. Was I in violation for unwittingly hunting too close to them?
 
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No Hunting within 150 yards of campgrounds, trails, fire stations, any national forest building, across any body of water, off-highway vehicle areas, and private property within the boundary of the Forest (unless the hunter has the permission of the property owner). Rifle, firearm, or crossbow hunting is not allowed at any time within the Laguna Mountain Recreation Area (only archery hunting during season).

Nick,

Wow!.....Don't think I've heard or seen this.....They could write a $hit load of tickets then.....Trails?....Deer trail?....Random trails?....150 yds. of private property boundary?.....90% of Cleveland is next to private property......Much of it unmarked......Across any body of water?.....Does that include rain water ponds, man-made ponds?.....Hell, I can think of a million spots that include this criteria.
 
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200 yards is a long ways! I've stumbled across several guzzlers I was unaware of in the CNF. Was I in violation for unwittingly hunting too close to them?
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Kevin,

Just walking by or flushing birds nearby, I think falls under the heading of the 30 minute rule, but who knows......A lot of confusing stuff in Cali.
 
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