My buddy and I are trying the deer hunting for about 2 and now 3rd season now. We still have not gotton off a shot. Seen two doe last season and heard 6 shots on opening day and that was all. Looking to see if any hints can be given to us but no secrets needs to be given. We try to hunt in Frazer Park, Azusa, and Angeles Crest area so far, but like said no luck. might start looking at at a ranch to get some experience, any suggestions? good but not too expensive since we are both somewhat disable vets.