well we think he's a bit over 170,we'll put a tape on him soon as we can.yesterday morning we went to a different area and located a 26-27 wide 4x4..after an 1 1/2 hour stalk the wind swirled and the hunt was over.we went back to the area where this buck was living,glassed for a couple hours before locating him bedded with a doe..a pretty simple stalk as the wind has been howling and waited a hour for him to stand up and 1 well placed Rage at 40 yards and the deal was done..