Steve, I understand you are kidding and laugh out loud with you about the breed you love (Labs are cool and fun "ya gotta love em") but I also feel that as someone that makes a living doing this that folks on this forum without this backround need to understand what it takes and being a contributor to this forum as a professional I feel strongly about expressing my experience and opinions. The cheapest part of owning a hunting dog is the purchase price period... Retrievers are great and can be trained very well to do many things, We love them here at our kennel and try to understand each owners needs and desires as best as we can to achieve what they want when we train their dogs, but in all accounts and experience's that I have been exposed to and participated in they are not the same as a versatile dog, if you live the upland and waterfowl lifestyle they are different in their abilities in the performance of their capabilities. Both types of breeds will require follow up training throughout their lives. Personally in my opinion if you are an upland and waterfowl hunter you will be training your dog until the day you dig a hole in the ground and kick dirt over it when it dies . I stand by the fact that that a versatile dog will do both better than a retriever when properly trained period.. There are always those exceptions that we see but that is what the stats have shown us over the years.Granted it will take longer and be more of a journey with more work and dedication from the owner of a versatile dog and time as well as cost wise but I have spent enough time with this to stand by my claims.