Is this one of our guys?

[Bowman]

This why california is in a f up , democrats saying it so, stop ruining my state

 

[bubblehide]

Unconstitional laws, that's why it's a police state. Nothing trumps the constitution. And quit trying to convince people.

I gave case law and that's all you've got. Okay, you guys are obviously talking to and advising fellow F&W law breakers here. Clearly you are unwilling to understand the actual laws applied and abide by them. So, sure, there is no convincing people like you. So go ahead, you keep doing you.

 

[Bowman]

I gave case law and that's all you've got. Okay, you guys are obviously talking to and advising fellow F&W law breakers here. Clearly you are unwilling to understand the actual laws applied and abide by them. So, sure, there is no convincing people like you. So go ahead, you keep doing you.

I not a lawyer, but there is case of case where people rights are being violated.
Law enforcement will search your vehical you don't give consent, you say it. And you don't answer questions, invoke your 1st, 4th and 5th amendment. Don't resist, don't argue, law enforcement it's there territory.
Don't make it worst. But take it to court.
If you win. Then one files a civil law suit.
I watch tons of civil lawyers on line.
Suing for this exact civil rights violations.
Freedom is scary, live with it.
PS: Steve is exactly correct.

 

[GUNDOGLOVER49]

Shut the Fock up. At 21 mins. into the video the narrator states the he gave out too much information which could strengthen the Officers case against him. Answer only questions you are asked, don't have diarrhea of the mouth.

 

[bubblehide]

I not a lawyer, but there is case of case where people rights are being violated.
Law enforcement will search your vehical you don't give consent, you say it. And you don't answer questions, invoke your 1st, 4th and 5th amendment. Don't resist, don't argue, law enforcement it's there territory.
Don't make it worst. But take it to court.
If you win. Then one files a civil law suit.
I watch tons of civil lawyers on line.
Suing for this exact civil rights violations.
Freedom is scary, live with it.
PS: Steve is exactly correct.

I already explained the difference between penal code and prima facia, in plain understandable English. I'm not here giving my opinion, or saying, but the constitution says... I cited case law, exhibiting what I stated is true. I have not asked that you like it.

The exception for F&W is due to, in people on wildlife crimes, there is typically no reporting party, no complainant. In people on people crimes (penal code) there typically is a complainant. The courts felt the exception for F&W simply makes sense based on the above. But if people think F&W can't search without a warrrent, they are very very wrong.

 

[bubblehide]

Shut the Fock up. At 21 mins. into the video the narrator states the he gave out too much information which could strengthen the Officers case against him. Answer only questions you are asked, don't have diarrhea of the mouth.

Who are you talking to?

 

[Bowman]

Also the reason to invoke the first amendment is to pull out that phone and record the entire stop. You record for your safety.

 

[GUNDOGLOVER49]

Who are you talking to?

I'm referring to what you should/not say to officers when being questioned. RELAX.

 

[bubblehide]

Also the reason to invoke the first amendment is to pull out that phone and record the entire stop. You record for your safety.

Recording is a great idea, unless of course you're recording things that can be used against you. That is why it's important to actually understand the way the law actually works, as opposed to how you want it to work, falsely believe it works...

 

[bubblehide]

I'm referring to what you should/not say to officers when being questioned. RELAX.

Gotcha. Unfortunately, the narrator is only considering penal code, what typical cops enforce, and not F&W law (Prima Facia laws). The video or the guy in it, is dealing with prima Facia laws, so the narrator's comments are wrong and misleading. But I already stated that.

 

[GUNDOGLOVER49]

One thing I caught that kind of surprised me was he was in possession of slugs which he said was for protection. I wonder why he didn't get a citation for acting like he was deer hunting which is a violation of the law. I saw a guy get a citation for that very thing. the guy was quail hunting and he was in possession of a deer slug during deer season without deer tags. I talked to him later, he told me he forgot the slug was in his vest, and he really was just quail hunting.

 

[Bowman]

Recording is a great idea, unless of course you're recording things that can be used against you. That is why it's important to actually understand the way the law actually works, as opposed to how you want it to work, falsely believe it works...

Most law enforcement has body cams, however they can edit it. Not suppose to do that but they do, that's why it's important
To record . Also interactions can be foia ( freedom of information act) while I appreciate you warning us. It is not cut dry as you state.

 

[bubblehide]

Most law enforcement has body cams, however they can edit it. Not suppose to do that but they do, that's why it's important
To record . Also interactions can be foia ( freedom of information act) while I appreciate you warning us. It is not cut dry as you state.

Few things are cut and dry. Of course video can be FOIA'd, but them editing video in today's day and age, destroys their case very quickly; as it destroys credibility.

 

[Bowman]

My final post on the subject.
Consult a civil rights lawyer.
Especially you guys in the field.
Get real legal advice.
Good hunting

 

[bubblehide]

My final post on the subject.
Consult a civil rights lawyer.
Especially you guys in the field.
Get real legal advice.
Good hunting

I suggest they do their consulting prior to hunting, so they have no doubts going in to the field. Knowledge is power. Being properly informed allows one to better handle and understand a situation.

 

[GUNDOGLOVER49]

Larry would have a lot to say about this, A LOT.

 

[Kellendv]

Larry would have a lot to say about this, A LOT.

Say what you will about the guy, but he never missed an opportunity to say in four paragraphs what could be said in one sentence.

 

[NBK]

Synopsis:
I know Austin. He's a seasoned Fish & Wildlife officer and a true professional. He handled the situation exactly as he was trained to and by the book—that's his job. He's also the kind of officer who will use discretion and cut someone a break when it's warranted.

The individual who received the citation, in my opinion, is a certified knucklehead. He showed a complete lack of judgment and a poor understanding of the regulations. He earned the citation he received, and deservedly so. Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse.

 

[Lenny]

Synopsis:
I know Austin. He's a seasoned Fish & Wildlife officer and a true professional. He handled the situation exactly as he was trained to and by the book—that's his job. He's also the kind of officer who will use discretion and cut someone a break when it's warranted.

The individual who received the citation, in my opinion, is a certified knucklehead. He showed a complete lack of judgment and a poor understanding of the regulations. He earned the citation he received, and deservedly so. Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse.

I will say, in the half dozen or so interactions I’ve had with officer smith, all have them have been pleasant.

 

[politefarts]

I've had hundreds of interactions with F&W, my only unpleasant unprofessional interactions (2) was with the same warden over 40 years ago. And, despite the threats of being cited, I was not cited, because no laws were violated.

Every single other interaction with F&W that I have had was professional and pleasant (100's).

I simply do not get that attitude that F&W "will try to smoke you every chance they get". But then, if you enter an interaction with law enforcement with that attitude, maybe it's because there is something you've already done that can result in a citation.

But then, I exhibit respect for them and the job they do. For example, upon seeing them, I unload my rifle, shotgun... and remove the bolt, creating what the officer perceives as a safe environment. It simply sets the tone of the interaction. Your suggested approach also sets the tone of the interaction, just in a very different way.

I rarely post here, but just wanted to second this. I've had encounters with wardens a couple hundred times (Im old and been at this for nearly 5 decades), primarily on the water, and only ever had a single unpleasant encounter.

That one bad one was with a warden up in norcal who was just notorious for being a complete jerk. Dude spent 40 minutes trying to find any kind of violation he could, and when he couldn't, got even more pissed and rude before leaving in a huff.

Aside from that one miserable dick 20 years ago, every other warden I've met has been super professional, happy to be out there talking with fellow sportsmen while protecting the resource, and stoked to see good catches and harvests. Remember, they are nearly all hunters and fishers too.

The point I'm getting at is that if you're having a bunch of bad encounters with wardens, there's a good chance the problem isnt that the wardens are in the wrong....