Alec Baldwin…..Change my Mind

[IVhunter]

not arguing. We run the safeties when ever they are carrying the guns, quail, pheasant, in the blind etc. Rifle hunting a round is never chambered and always on safety until they are ready to shoot. But in the middle of a dove shoot that seems pretty difficult. Not saying I am right but curious if I am the only one.

Well if they hunt with safety off they won't admit it if it is frowned upon, props for you not being afraid to mention how you hunt. I'll be honest, when I hunt dove solo I think the safety stays off during a dove flurry, it goes back on when I'm walking or no dove are flying.

quick story.... Went yote hunting with a few buddies. As we are walking into the desert about 30 yards apart of each other, one of my buddy accidently shoots a round off. At first he tried to play it off that he meant to shoot but I had seen what happened and called him out. Good thing he was pointing the rifle up and nobody got hurt. I still give him shit for that.

 

[TRICER]

Another thing that gets hunters including myself sometimes. You shoot a deer, pig, elk etc rack another round out of habit. Animal goes down you get excited and never unload the rifle.

I am constantly trying to make it a point to check the chamber on the rifles especially the boys after shooting an animal. No reason for a rifle to be loaded in my opinion especially on a big game hunt where you might not pull the trigger for an entire week.

 

[TRICER]

Well if they hunt with safety off they won't admit it if it is frowned upon, props for you not being afraid to mention how you hunt. I'll be honest, when I hunt dove solo I think the safety stays off during a dove flurry, it goes back on when I'm walking or no dove are flying.

quick story.... Went yote hunting with a few buddies. As we are walking into the desert about 30 yards apart of each other, one of my buddy accidently shoots a round off. At first he tried to play it off that he meant to shoot but I had seen what happened and called him out. Good thing he was pointing the rifle up and nobody got hurt. I still give him shit for that.

No shame in my game. I am always learning and adapting.

 

[ilovesprig]

not arguing. We run the safeties when ever they are carrying the guns, quail, pheasant, in the blind etc. Rifle hunting a round is never chambered and always on safety until they are ready to shoot. But in the middle of a dove shoot that seems pretty difficult. Not saying I am right but curious if I am the only one.
Again that’s the point of this thread. I have been hunting dove this way my entire life and I probably should make a change.

Drew,

I love you like a son....PLEASE....Teach these boys to hunt with a safety on at all times....They're not to old to learn this....

ps...Your rifle has a safety on it as well....I personally see no reason not to have a cartridge in the chamber....Again, the safety goes off as you're ready to shoot.

 

[HATCHET1]

I've walked many a folks out to the gate for not following my rules regarding safety's...nothing will get you escorted off the 2 acres faster than when I hear a round being chambered or a safety clicking off behind me as I lead an eager hunter to slaughter a mammal.....that being said.. Baldwin is a douche..know it all pompous Bitch...ever listen to the recording of him ragging out his little girl?

 

[TRICER]

I've walked many a folks out to the gate for not following my rules regarding safety's...nothing will get you escorted off the 2 acres faster than when I hear a round being chambered or a safety clicking off behind me as I lead an eager hunter to slaughter a mammal.....that being said.. Baldwin is a douche..know it all pompous Bitch...ever listen to the recording of him ragging out his little girl?

What are the Hatchet rules on the 2 acres? You kill more animals than most butchers so your opinion is important to the conversation.

 

[JakeSCH]

Drew,

I love you like a son....PLEASE....Teach these boys to hunt with a safety on at all times....They're not to old to learn this....

ps...Your rifle has a safety on it as well....I personally see no reason not to have a cartridge in the chamber....Again, the safety goes off as you're ready to shoot.

I cannot tell you how many times my safety has been moved off while hiking through rough terrian. No rounds in the chamber for me unless I am still hunting or getting close. If I am with someone, I will not do it without notifying them first.

If I have a round chambered while hiking, I check my safety every 10 steps or so.

My buddy was hunting in NM a couple weeks ago and a guy in camp has his gun go off on his shoulder due to the same reason. No Thanks

 

[TaftHunter]

The safety is ALWAYS on for me. That’s the way I was taught, it’s extremely easy to draw a shot gun and take your safety off at the same time. I even catch my self doing it while shooting clays. Accidents can always be prevented when practicing preventative methods!


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[HATCHET1]

What are the Hatchet rules on the 2 acres? You kill more animals than most butchers so your opinion is important to the conversation.

Dude...these rules have kept me and those around me safe for over 40 years...* 1 Nothing in the pipe ..until instructed to do so by me...I've never had a mammal get away by not having a round in the pipe..it takes less than half a second. * 2 when the times comes to put one in the pipe..safety will be engaged at all times until it's time to let er rip...I like the 3 position safteys that allow you to crank one in while still being on safe...I've seen many of folk play fiddle fuck while try trying to rack one in only to have me to remind them that there bolt is in the locked position ..* 3
. MUZZLE DIRECTION...can't stress this one enough... with this simple rule..you can't go wrong..always in a safe direction..never point unless you are ready to shoot... Those are my top 3 bro...it's kept me safe and I have seen alot of stupid shit over the years...my kids and wife like me to come home...well..the kids do for sure..HA!!

 

[Specshooter]

Tr

Wow, Drew....I have to totally disagree with you here....THAT SAFETY SHOULD NEVER BE OFF....That is a bad habit for those boys....Will you feel any better, if one of them kills himself because he drops his guns or something like that?....Or forgets to put it back on, when someone comes around?

The safety comes off as the gun goes up to the shoulder....Nothing more and nothing else....If they forget, then they need to practice, until it's a regimented thought.

Again, the safety should NEVER be off while hunting!

Trig is right on this

 

[dhntr48]

Baldwin will Skate .

 

[dhntr48]

A buddy of mine shot and killed one of our friends on a shooting / hunting trip . I was invited to go but missed the trip Robert was 19 when he died . Although it was a accident , My buddy did five years in prison for that , and is not same guy he was when he was 20 . I had gun safety in the cub scouts and thru boy scouts, and we went to the range often . Safety , Safety , Safety ..... We cant stress that enough !!!!!!!

 

[Shadowlawnskysthelimit]

Back in the early 80’s the owner of the Masonry company I worked for would take a bunch of us to Rahauuges beforeClub season closed to shoot up however many pheasant he had left over, usually a couple hundred birds.
After shooting all the birds he would have lunch for us, talk about the upcoming work and give out gifts.
One year after lunch he invited anyone who wanted to join him in shooting Sporting Clays; the sport was new and I was all but happy to join in.
We drove to where the course was; I was getting my dove belt on in the rear door of my truck when a shotgun went off right behind me.
I turned too see the guy parked next to me, the only other supposed hunter from the company a guy named Wendell from Florida , looking at the roof of the cab of his brand new Chevy 3/4 ton double cab 4wd that now had a hole upward like you took a old school can opener and ripped open the roof at rear passenger door.
He was freaking out !
Come to find out before we left the pheasant fields one of my co-workers noticed a bird about 20 yards from where everyone was parked. Wendell put 2 shells in his new O/U and handed it to a guy who walked over, bird jumped up, guy killed it. Guy walked back over handed Wendell his gun and Wendell put it back in the case without unloading the 2nd still hot shell.
Later Wendell had pulled that gun out of the case to shoot sporting clays and put his finger on the trigger as he pulled gun from case blowing the hole in his trucks roof.
Because it happened right behind me it scared the crap out of me. Not just Mike Rahaugges came over to see WTF was going on. He looked at Wendells truck and started cracking up, then excoriated Wendell for his stupidity, all the while Wendell was blaming the guy he gave the gun to in the field.
I looked at Mike who I barely knew then and said “Well Dad always taught us to make sure a weapon was unloaded before casing, and never put your finger on the trigger during uncasing.
Up until Mike died every time I would see him we would laugh and he loved to tell others that story !
Be careful only takes a second !

 

[Muledeerhunter]

A buddy of mine shot and killed one of our friends on a shooting / hunting trip . I was invited to go but missed the trip Robert was 19 when he died . Although it was a accident , My buddy did five years in prison for that , and is not same guy he was when he was 20 . I had gun safety in the cub scouts and thru boy scouts, and we went to the range often . Safety , Safety , Safety ..... We cant stress that enough !!!!!!!

Why did he go to prison if it was an accident?

 

[Snake Charmer]

Why did he go to prison if it was an accident?

Accidental manslaughter is a punishable crime

 

[GUNDOGLOVER49]

A guy I used to know a guy, use to, who shot himself in the foot with cocked 30-30 while climbing over a bolder to get a better view of a deer. God made safeties for a reason.

 

[Wildgame]

An accident with a fire arm can happen to anyone. I don't care how well train people might be, makes no difference how many years they been shooting of hunting and it certainly doesn't matter how vocal they are about gun safety or guns rights for that matter. It can happen...that's is just the nature of the beast and we choose to take that risk.

I don't know much about Baldwin and his experience and training in firearms if any. Obviously not checking the gun or neglect to treat it as if was loaded is an issue for anyone with knowledge of firearms. Yet, I wouldnt expect a person who plays make believe for a living to be a responsible firearm handler...it is precisely for that reason that I think a real firearm has no place in a business where the focus is to make believe.
They can recreate all kinds of things in a movie and they can not work with fake firearms? I don't get it.
Then you have an 18 yrs old who probably has experience in firearms and shoots a few people because he perceives to be in lethal danger..

 

[Snake Charmer]

An accident with a fire arm can happen to anyone. I don't care how well train people might be, makes no difference how many years they been shooting of hunting and it certainly doesn't matter how vocal they are about gun safety or guns rights for that matter. It can happen...that's is just the nature of the beast and we choose to take that risk.

I don't know much about Baldwin and his experience and training in firearms if any. Obviously not checking the gun or neglect to treat it as if was loaded is an issue for anyone with knowledge of firearms. Yet, I wouldnt expect a person who plays make believe for a living to be a responsible firearm handler...it is precisely for that reason that I think a real firearm has no place in a business where the focus is to make believe.
They can recreate all kinds of things in a movie and they can not work with fake firearms? I don't get it.
Then you have an 18 yrs old who probably has experience in firearms and shoots a few people because he perceives to be in lethal danger..

A lot of truth imo to which you speak. I had many condeming feelings when this happened and I still do. Had a conversation the other night with my brother who is a few years older than me and has worked in the film industry for the past thirty six years. He and I pretty much never agree on anything concerning politics and cancel out each others vote each election. However I had to listen to his up front and been there experience and have to agree with several things he said to me. First off he said to me that many people on movie and film sets have no expereince or have ever been around a firearm and have no business even touching one. He also said to give an armorer more than one job spreads their resposibility too thin and had seen it before with not so lethal results but not a good way to run a production. He in his time on sets has experienced several instances where accidental discharges of blanks happened when folks handled weapons with which they were instructed and then discharged the weapon with no clue of what they were doing because they did not digest the instruction. He also explained to me that producers can be many and far and wide so Alec maybe a producer but not in charge. He also pointed out that productions produced in other states have to do with budget costs and the producers go with what they can do the most cost effectivley. New Mexico offers Hollywood cheaper cost's than Cali with lesser restrictions and regualtion. My bro also said to me that at this point in time with CGI real firearms are not needed on a set. and that all this could have been done with inert replicas. Sorry for the Larry length response just trying to keep all of us that care in the right mind set without too much arm chair judgement that bends reality the way we want to see it.

 

[SteveHazard]

My safety is on until I fire or am anticipating to fire immediately. I'm always checking the position by feel so the rare time I screw up it gets corrected shortly there after. We are not free from screwing up from time to time so checking constantly is part of my habit. I'll admit there have been a few times that I've checked and it has been off and I think oh crap that's not supposed to be that way better fix it. Recognizing your mistakes that fall below your safety standard is part of what keeps you safer moving forward. I've had a handful of shots over the years that were ultimately fine but inside I cringed at myself because I felt they didn't maintain the standard I set for myself. Also good example of why you set a large safety zone for yourself.

 

[duck-boy]

I think this is a great subject. My safety only comes off as I'm aiming(oops, pointing I mean) at what I intend to shoot. Then it's back on after the shot.