SIDEARM: Black Bear: Lightest Pistol you feel safe carrying for a Backup?

That Marlin should work but I doubt it'll fit in a holster.
Being real about carrying for black bear I think maybe that concern gets bumped higher because the remedy involves the purchase of a new toy. And it's personal preference how much in case stuff people like to bring. Personally I try to get or bring the least amount of stuff possible mainly for of all reasons I hate the "getting ready" process and I still leave late, forget stuff, and bring stuff that I don't use/need. So I'm constantly trying to refine my stuff to make the pre hunt/camp packing process easier as I hate it. The less junk I intend to bring the the more likely and quicker I get out the door. The smaller and lighter it all is the better chance I have to pre pack it into a single bag I can just grab and go with. Less weight in gear means more weight I can devote to water.
 
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I feel you on that last sentence! I always over-carry a bit on water. On purpose! I never ever ever ever want to experience running out of water ever again!

Been going thru different seating options because of the weight issue. Have this lower-back old injury that flares up from time-to-time when my sit-times for work get high. But some of the lighter seating options I've tried just freakin' kill me to sit on for very long. Hopefully this latest thing I found may be able to work for Coyote sets. It's basically a sit pad and an aluminum braced seat back connected via adjustable buckle mechanism.

Shaves off a lot of weight, and yet provides back support. BUT... not sure how long I'll last with the minimal amount of sit padding it has. It wasn't quite so bad if I bent-up the knee of one of my legs. But if I kept 'em flat to the floor, after a while could tell it'd cutoff blood flow to my feet. I added a Therm-A-Rest Z-Pad for sitting, on top of the padding already there... and it seemed to help a significant bit. So gonna try using it with those two things together on my next trip out. This one low-boy Turkey seat is VERY comfortable... but it's quite bulky for the carry in, so not always doable.


Yeah... this whole Bear Sidearm thing is mostly for some D11 spots I have in mind. And it's because it's all downhill getting into there. Which means it's all uphill getting out of there! And that never-ending long ol' uphill is murder sometimes. My one hip socket (which had a Moto Trauma to it back in the day) pretty damn bad at about the 4-5 mile mark on the uphill. And I mean, I bring stuff to help with the pain and inflammation, and I'll pre-dope-up at the bottom of the hill with like 8 Advils first... but when and if it gets bad, I'm basically hobbled... and I have to sit and wait for a bit for my opiate Rx med (a Tylenol #3) to kick in and the pain and inflammation to calm back down. And the thing of it is... this waiting is happening while sittin' around in the dark. So ya know, sue me, I get a little more nervy about sittin' alone, hurt, in the dark. Because I figure if I was being the predator that would be when I would try to make my move.


I dunno... call me crazy, but there is just something comforting about the idea of having a pistol with night sights along for the ride under that scenario.
 
What would you do if you killed something down in that 4-5 mile hell hole? Ed F
 
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One things for sure...that bear would be in big trouble from what i can read so far if he runs into Larry...just my 1.5 cents....
 
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I keep it simple, Kimber Custom Eclipse II 10mm 38607

carried in a Guides Choice shoulder rig.
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A Glock 20 is a more affordable option for you, when I bought my gun there were two choices for 10mm in Commiefornia, the Kimber in the pic and the G-20.

I have put some hard miles wearing my Kimber in this rig from Black Hills Leather,
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but I find I can get my hand on my hammer (pistol) a lot quicker with the Guides Choice harness. A real nice harness and great customer service.
 
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So you would have the pistol on your chest with a bino harness over that and then a 40lb pack on and a rifle over your shoulder. Hard pass I will stick with my original post no side arm needed for black bear. I can find a way to shoot one with my rifle if needed. They make pistol holders for pack waste straps that would be a much better option.

If I get eaten by a black bear this fall @Larry you can read my eulogy and say I told you so.
 
Lol , day hike side arm optional.
Camping solo, middle no where.?
Do sleep with your rifle....
It's more than just black bear, mountain lion, coyotes, if you get hurt, fall down, break a leg, lose your rifle, meet up with shaky drug growers. Crazy lunatic looking for solo campers...
 
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Lol , day hike side arm optional.
Camping solo, middle no where.?
Do sleep with your rifle....
It's more than just black bear, mountain lion, coyotes, if you get hurt, fall down, break a leg, lose your rifle, meet up with shaky drug growers. Crazy lunatic looking for solo campers...
Fine if I get killed by an illegal, a crazy, or a drug grower Lee can give my I told him so eulogy.

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What would you do if you killed something down in that 4-5 mile hell hole? Ed F

What would I do? I've thought about this quite a lot actually.

I can only do one trip outta there in one night. I'd load up as much as I can. There's two ways down into there. One way is much longer in distance, but it's a road, so I can take my beater MTB and ride the brakes most of the way down. That way is really good on conserving energy and wear-and-tear. Being able to lean upon that MTB on the trip up strangely seemed to help with the lower-back and hip issue a bit. But it's certainly not energy efficient on the ascent, due to the extra pushing resistance. I don't take the MTB all the way down cause the brakes are loud as hell (just V-brakes), so I lock it up a couple miles before the bottom. And... that MTB I've had since 1992 so if it should happen that I take something nearer to the other way out which is a goat trail, I'm cool with leaving it there and coming back for it some other day later. I think the goat trail out is less energy expenditure over all... but it's climbing parts are generally steeper. I figure that even though the road way out is several miles longer. It provides me with a much easier way to take lots of stops along the way back up.

And when you're almost finally back up to the Hwy... there's this one last series of switchbacks that's heavily eroded ya gotta grind thru, you're just like all kindsa spent... and I've got to lift up and carry the MTB a lot because the ruts are like above knee height. It's like this one last big dig down and give it everything you've got push, but you want it soo bad because it stands between you and your car and freedom and a delightful end to the misery. It feels like such a relief when that front tire finally clears off the trail.

That place is specifically why I upgraded and bought the big ol' Kifaru EMR II backpack because it can go big as hell! With the idea of doing just one trip.

However long it took to finish. Just one trip. And for sure I'd have to wait until the sun was setting because the route up (when going the road way) is pretty much all exposed to the sun. And I dunno, I figured if need be... that I may have to leap-frog more than one game-bag all the way up the dang thing. Last year I decided against trying in there. But in realizing I have a limited amount of time left physically to attempt for a black bear. I'm considering the idea of getting a Tag again this year. And if I buy the Tag, I'll feel compelled to put forth the effort because I paid the money, ya know?

The worst part is like the first mile going back up. It's so God-awful steep. I'd actually be a little nervous descending down that in a truck. It's like hard sand-stone with that slippery covering of loose sand grit in that steepest part. I mean, it's not your-boots-are-slipping-with-each-step-steep. But it's just a couple clicks below that kind of angle the first like 1/2 mile. I know it's probably not, but damn it sure feels like a 45 degree incline right there. It's probably 30.

If, for whatever reason, I decided I just couldn't take it all in one trip that day. I'd tie up a meat bag. Save a waypoint. Then when got home I'd try to reach out to maybe a few people to see if they'd want to go collect it to enjoy for themselves. And then if no takers... ugh... I'd have to go back the next day... I'd have to dope up like crazy for that. 8 Advils down and 8 before up. With at least 3 or 4 Tylenol #3's brought along just in case it gets bad again, 6 Liters of water/fluids. And a RedBull at the beginning of descent and ascent. Going back down, I'd probably only take the .357 on my chest and the BearSpray. And a Tripod stool to make taking rests easier. And a couple MET-Rx bars, Squeeze Appesauces, Honey Stingers and Pistachios and 2 HoneyCrisp Apples to get me back outta there. (Man I really love those HoneyCrisp Apples when I'm tired! They are so nice)
 
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@Hollowpoint ... yeah man... That Kimber they handed me? Man... she was a sexy beast! Freakin' Sexy!

Yeah, I also have that Diamond D CrossDraw holster for my .357. I like it! I like it a lot!

Had some other cheaper one, and the over the shoulder strap kept sliding over and digging into my neck. Don't seem to have that problem with the Daimond D.
 
They make pistol holders for pack waste straps that would be a much better option.

Yeah I know, I've considered them as well.

Problem I see there is that a person would be inclined to forget to take that holster back off the pack and put it on themselves when they stop, and drop the pack, especially if they are tired. My thought was eliminate that human variable out of the equation, so I can't EFF up and forget it somewhere. Ya know, thinkin' in terms of making it a fault-tolerant system.
 
Lol , day hike side arm optional.
Camping solo, middle no where.?
Do sleep with your rifle....
It's more than just black bear, mountain lion, coyotes, if you get hurt, fall down, break a leg, lose your rifle, meet up with shaky drug growers. Crazy lunatic looking for solo campers...

BINGO! You guys need to remember, I've experienced shattering my wrist out in the field before.

That experience made me realize it immediately makes your ability to defend yourself one-handed with a heavy rifle pretty much impossible. (I happened to be carrying my .30-30 lever action that day, that thing is a tank)

I know how painful BearSpray is. But I also know wind is unpredictable, and physiology of each individual creature is different. One creature might be down for the count, but another one might seem unstoppable in their ability to withstand a substance.

We all see that each time we make a shot on creatures in the boiler room. Sometimes bang-flop, sometimes OMG how far you gonna run without air?

Anyhoo... that's where I'm comin' from. And yeah, if it's just for the day, depending on the location and it's terrain, I'll sometimes just do the Spray as backup, especially if its crazy steep. But for the crazy steep places where is downhill going in. I tend to prefer doing an overnighter so it's not soo much exertion within the confines of a single day. And in that situation, having a pistol makes me feel much more prepared. That's all.
 
That Marlin should work but I doubt it'll fit in a holster.
Being real about carrying for black bear I think maybe that concern gets bumped higher because the remedy involves the purchase of a new toy. And it's personal preference how much in case stuff people like to bring. Personally I try to get or bring the least amount of stuff possible mainly for of all reasons I hate the "getting ready" process and I still leave late, forget stuff, and bring stuff that I don't use/need. So I'm constantly trying to refine my stuff to make the pre hunt/camp packing process easier as I hate it. The less junk I intend to bring the the more likely and quicker I get out the door. The smaller and lighter it all is the better chance I have to pre pack it into a single bag I can just grab and go with. Less weight in gear means more weight I can devote to water.

I have a sterilite that all the "has to go on every trip" stuff goes in. For just that reason. It concentrates where I'm looking, so no out-of-sight out-of-mind can happen.

And I always pack at least the day beforehand. I never want to be doing any packing the morning of. That leads to mistakes and forgetting things. I just wanna suit-up, grab the pack, put the rifles in the truck, and go... so I can hurry up and get on the road so I can get there early enough to hike in before the sun comes up. And I cut it close too so I can get most amount of possible sleep the morning of.
 
What would I do? I've thought about this quite a lot actually.

I can only do one trip outta there in one night. I'd load up as much as I can. There's two ways down into there. One way is much longer in distance, but it's a road, so I can take my beater MTB and ride the brakes most of the way down. That way is really good on conserving energy and wear-and-tear. Being able to lean upon that MTB on the trip up strangely seemed to help with the lower-back and hip issue a bit. But it's certainly not energy efficient on the ascent, due to the extra pushing resistance. I don't take the MTB all the way down cause the brakes are loud as hell (just V-brakes), so I lock it up a couple miles before the bottom. And... that MTB I've had since 1992 so if it should happen that I take something nearer to the other way out which is a goat trail, I'm cool with leaving it there and coming back for it some other day later. I think the goat trail out is less energy expenditure over all... but it's climbing parts are generally steeper. I figure that even though the road way out is several miles longer. It provides me with a much easier way to take lots of stops along the way back up.

And when you're almost finally back up to the Hwy... there's this one last series of switchbacks that's heavily eroded ya gotta grind thru, you're just like all kindsa spent... and I've got to lift up and carry the MTB a lot because the ruts are like above knee height. It's like this one last big dig down and give it everything you've got push, but you want it soo bad because it stands between you and your car and freedom and a delightful end to the misery. It feels like such a relief when that front tire finally clears off the trail.

That place is specifically why I upgraded and bought the big ol' Kifaru EMR II backpack because it can go big as hell! With the idea of doing just one trip.

However long it took to finish. Just one trip. And for sure I'd have to wait until the sun was setting because the route up (when going the road way) is pretty much all exposed to the sun. And I dunno, I figured if need be... that I may have to leap-frog more than one game-bag all the way up the dang thing. Last year I decided against trying in there. But in realizing I have a limited amount of time left physically to attempt for a black bear. I'm considering the idea of getting a Tag again this year. And if I buy the Tag, I'll feel compelled to put forth the effort because I paid the money, ya know?

The worst part is like the first mile going back up. It's so God-awful steep. I'd actually be a little nervous descending down that in a truck. It's like hard sand-stone with that slippery covering of loose sand grit in that steepest part. I mean, it's not your-boots-are-slipping-with-each-step-steep. But it's just a couple clicks below that kind of angle the first like 1/2 mile. I know it's probably not, but damn it sure feels like a 45 degree incline right there. It's probably 30.

If, for whatever reason, I decided I just couldn't take it all in one trip that day. I'd tie up a meat bag. Save a waypoint. Then when got home I'd try to reach out to maybe a few people to see if they'd want to go collect it to enjoy for themselves. And then if no takers... ugh... I'd have to go back the next day... I'd have to dope up like crazy for that. 8 Advils down and 8 before up. With at least 3 or 4 Tylenol #3's brought along just in case it gets bad again, 6 Liters of water/fluids. And a RedBull at the beginning of descent and ascent. Going back down, I'd probably only take the .357 on my chest and the BearSpray. And a Tripod stool to make taking rests easier. And a couple MET-Rx bars, Squeeze Appesauces, Honey Stingers and Pistachios and 2 HoneyCrisp Apples to get me back outta there. (Man I really love those HoneyCrisp Apples when I'm tired! They are so nice)


This post made me so F'ing tired... I'm gonna take a nap. Ed F
 
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Yeah I know, I've considered them as well.

Problem I see there is that a person would be inclined to forget to take that holster back off the pack and put it on themselves when they stop, and drop the pack, especially if they are tired. My thought was eliminate that human variable out of the equation, so I can't EFF up and forget it somewhere. Ya know, thinkin' in terms of making it a fault-tolerant system.
I never leave my pack. Even if I am going a 100 yards I always bring my pack. To many times you think you will be gone for a minute 2 hours later you are chasing a deer you have no water and you are looking for your pack in the dark.
Never leaving your pack is a good habit to have just my opinion.
 
What would I do? I've thought about this quite a lot actually.

I can only do one trip outta there in one night. I'd load up as much as I can. There's two ways down into there. One way is much longer in distance, but it's a road, so I can take my beater MTB and ride the brakes most of the way down. That way is really good on conserving energy and wear-and-tear. Being able to lean upon that MTB on the trip up strangely seemed to help with the lower-back and hip issue a bit. But it's certainly not energy efficient on the ascent, due to the extra pushing resistance. I don't take the MTB all the way down cause the brakes are loud as hell (just V-brakes), so I lock it up a couple miles before the bottom. And... that MTB I've had since 1992 so if it should happen that I take something nearer to the other way out which is a goat trail, I'm cool with leaving it there and coming back for it some other day later. I think the goat trail out is less energy expenditure over all... but it's climbing parts are generally steeper. I figure that even though the road way out is several miles longer. It provides me with a much easier way to take lots of stops along the way back up.

And when you're almost finally back up to the Hwy... there's this one last series of switchbacks that's heavily eroded ya gotta grind thru, you're just like all kindsa spent... and I've got to lift up and carry the MTB a lot because the ruts are like above knee height. It's like this one last big dig down and give it everything you've got push, but you want it soo bad because it stands between you and your car and freedom and a delightful end to the misery. It feels like such a relief when that front tire finally clears off the trail.

That place is specifically why I upgraded and bought the big ol' Kifaru EMR II backpack because it can go big as hell! With the idea of doing just one trip.

However long it took to finish. Just one trip. And for sure I'd have to wait until the sun was setting because the route up (when going the road way) is pretty much all exposed to the sun. And I dunno, I figured if need be... that I may have to leap-frog more than one game-bag all the way up the dang thing. Last year I decided against trying in there. But in realizing I have a limited amount of time left physically to attempt for a black bear. I'm considering the idea of getting a Tag again this year. And if I buy the Tag, I'll feel compelled to put forth the effort because I paid the money, ya know?

The worst part is like the first mile going back up. It's so God-awful steep. I'd actually be a little nervous descending down that in a truck. It's like hard sand-stone with that slippery covering of loose sand grit in that steepest part. I mean, it's not your-boots-are-slipping-with-each-step-steep. But it's just a couple clicks below that kind of angle the first like 1/2 mile. I know it's probably not, but damn it sure feels like a 45 degree incline right there. It's probably 30.

If, for whatever reason, I decided I just couldn't take it all in one trip that day. I'd tie up a meat bag. Save a waypoint. Then when got home I'd try to reach out to maybe a few people to see if they'd want to go collect it to enjoy for themselves. And then if no takers... ugh... I'd have to go back the next day... I'd have to dope up like crazy for that. 8 Advils down and 8 before up. With at least 3 or 4 Tylenol #3's brought along just in case it gets bad again, 6 Liters of water/fluids. And a RedBull at the beginning of descent and ascent. Going back down, I'd probably only take the .357 on my chest and the BearSpray. And a Tripod stool to make taking rests easier. And a couple MET-Rx bars, Squeeze Appesauces, Honey Stingers and Pistachios and 2 HoneyCrisp Apples to get me back outta there. (Man I really love those HoneyCrisp Apples when I'm tired! They are so nice)

Hey bud if your body is jacked up like you make it seem, maybe you shouldn’t go in so deep and if your that concerned about black bears take a friend and buy your self a gun that make you feel good.


And stay The F away from all that dam sugar man.

Talk about inflammation.
 

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