Cartridge Debate

One more for you hammer guys. 214 hammer entered behind the shoulder one of the pedals came out the skull. You will notice that the pig disappears. I think we have like 6 hammer kills now they work. Not sure I like them more than Barnes for terminal performance but I do like how easy they are to load and how great they shoot.

 
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All feral swine must be exterminated...no quarter shall be givin...
 
One more for you hammer guys. 214 hammer entered behind the shoulder one of the pedals came out the skull. You will notice that the pig disappears. I think we have like 6 hammer kills now they work. Not sure I like them more than Barnes for terminal performance but I do like how easy they are to load and how great they shoot.

So far I am a fan. I killed quite a few with 168 TTSX out of my 308 and 30-06, the 300 WM w/ 180 gr hammers has different physical response.

But that could easily be the extra velocity.
 
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If OPA was still here he could tell you best rifle and load to shoot, also which air compressor to use. Larry may disagree.
 
There are a lot of very knowledgeable guys out there, but this is a good listen. Omer really knows his stuff and communicates it well. Of course we have our own group of very knowledgeable voices right here on SCH. @NBK and @Lungpopper have given me mounds of great advice and Omer echoes a lot of what they have told me. He preaches the virtues of the .284’s when they get to caliber selection. If you have some driving to do or some chores give this a listen:

Sure John. I use an iPhone and the apple podcast app so that may be the issue. Here is a link to the episode webpage. It's an hour and 40 minutes long but I think worth a listen.

https://beyondthekill.net/ep-238-the-anatomy-of-a-mountain-rifle-with-omer-hrbinic/
 
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7mm is a tough caliber to pass up. Because of its sectional density, with equal bullet weight (and brand/style) it will out penetrate the 30 caliber bullets. On big heavy game, that has a very beneficial effect. This is what makes the 7mm Rem Mag such an amazing cartridge. It is a performer on moose and elk size game. And with manageable recoil. Definitely in my top 3 picks.

My top 3 (not in order) - these are do all North American cartridges.

.338 Win Mag
300 WSM
7mm Rem Mag
 
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7mm is a tough caliber to pass up. Because of its sectional density, with equal bullet weight (and brand/style) it will out penetrate the 30 caliber bullets. On big heavy game, that has a very beneficial effect. This is what makes the 7mm Rem Mag such an amazing cartridge. It is a performer on moose and elk size game. And with manageable recoil. Definitely in my top 3 picks.

My top 3 (not in order) - these are do all North American cartridges.

.338 Win Mag
300 WSM
7mm Rem Mag
You can never go wrong with a .338, you could take anything in north America with it and most other species with it worldwide. I own one and have shot several elk with it. I am proponent of using cartridges that have what I call an any angle capability meaning that no matter what the target presents you can get through to the plumbing. I helped a friend several years ago when he gut shot a cow elk with a 7 Weatherby and it was leaving town. He was not terribly experienced and asked for back up, I poked his cow with a .338 Win mag with a Barnes 215 at a pretty steep angle at about 200'. It went in right in front of the left hip and left town through the paunch. The cow made it about another twenty yards behind a bush and piled up. I have since stepped down to a 7 mag and try not to put myself in sketchy shot situations and only pull the trigger when I know the animal is going down. So many good cartridges out there but the bottom line is know your limits with what you are working with.
 
I was hunting elk in Dillon Montana in the late 90's and shot a bull with my .338 Win Mag and a 225 grain Barnes XLC bullet (the XLC was blue). I shot it facing me, the bullet entered the frontal chest straight on and ended up in the ham under the skin. So about 6' plus of penetration. It was a Volkswagen size hole from front to back.

No substitute for a big fast heavy bullet!
 
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I'm of the belief, the bigger the better. It compensates for human error, but I still want salvageable meat when the task is done.
 
Part two of the above story. I shot the bull in a wallow. There was this older guy who took a shot from about 600 yards away with a .270 after my 338 barked and created a canoe hole through the animal. He comes running down claiming he shot the animal and it was his. I told the guy to have at it. Tag your animal (not worth getting into it). He hangs it in friends barn later in the morning to skin etc. and @Snake Charmer pulls the bullet off of the ham (blue bullet) and shows the guy. Well the guy still insists it is his animal. So the next day I shoot another elk @550 yards. End of story. Some folks are just desperate. So for me, it was a two elk trip.
 
Part two of the above story. I shot the bull in a wallow. There was this older guy who took a shot from about 600 yards away with a .270 after my 338 barked and created a canoe hole through the animal. He comes running down claiming he shot the animal and it was his. I told the guy to have at it. Tag your animal (not worth getting into it). He hangs it in friends barn later in the morning to skin etc. and @Snake Charmer pulls the bullet off of the ham (blue bullet) and shows the guy. Well the guy still insists it is his animal. So the next day I shoot another elk @550 yards. End of story. Some folks are just desperate. So for me, it was a two elk trip.
It made me smile to remember that story as I watched it happen. Some guy from New Jersey, Have at it buddy it's yours. Shot a spike a few days later, my first elk but had an amazing experience walking through powder snow and getting into elk before that.
 
It made me smile to remember that story as I watched it happen. Some guy from New Jersey, Have at it buddy it's yours. Shot a spike a few days later, ny first elk but had an amazing experience walking through powder snow and getting into elk before that.
Yep...remember the pack mules we used. A whole string of them to go get the elk off that freezing cold mountain. I think we shot some bucks that trip too.
 
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So many variables when it comes to picking a cartridge. You also need to consider the landscape that you will be hunting in. Are you going to be hunting the desert at 3,500’ or tree line at 12,000’ elevation ? Are you riding in the truck or hiking 8 miles of steep terrain?
Before picking the cartridge, you need to consider the build of the gun for its intended use.
For years I only had 1 big game rifle, chambered in the 338 Win Mag. Definitely towards the top of the list.
My 30 Nosler is a beast that downs elk like Thor’s hammer.
But over all a rifle that is 7-8 pounds all in. With good horsepower without needing a break and gets the job done at close range and distance.
I would have to pick the 7 Rem Mag.
 

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